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The Learning Leader Show with Ryan Hawk
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My Guest: Jack Raines is a writer and investor. At 24, he quit his corporate finance job at UPS, bought a one-way ticket to Barcelona, and spent the next year traveling through 25 countries while writing a newsletter that grew to hundreds of thousands of readers. He went on to earn an MBA from Columbia, help build Sherwood News at Robinhood, and join the venture capital firm Slow Ventures, where he invests in creators. His first book, Young Money: A Field Guide to Finding Wealth and Purpose in Your Twenties, is out now.
Key Learnings
Jack's Grandma Ruth took him to Africa when he was 11. She was in her late 60s. She had the money. She said: "I can spend it on you now or leave it to you when I'm dead. This is better."
Money has no value until you exchange it for something. We need to decide what we want that to be.
Every year of your 20s is worth $10 million. (Nikita Bier) You'll never have this window of flexibility again.
Say yes to interesting experiences in your 20s. Your income is going to climb exponentially anyway. Don't save $500 at the cost of a memory.
Move to where the action is. Jack moved to New York for business school. Then San Francisco for a job. Then back to New York. High slope of learning. High slope of contact with good people.
Network amplifies ability. It doesn't create it. A million times zero is still zero. A million times two is two million.
The only real risk is not doing anything.
Every opportunity in life comes through a person.
The best networking tool is doing great work. How did Gracie Abrams open for Taylor Swift on the Eras Tour? She wrote great music. Taylor noticed. Taylor called.
In your 20s, potential is valued at a premium. In your 30s and beyond, proof of work matters more.
Experimenting when you are young speed-runs the learning curve. You develop the skill of taking shots. That skill compounds.
It's much harder to start being risk-on at 35 if you weren't risk-on at 25.
Personal finance is simple. Spend less than you make. Build a six-month emergency fund. Take the 401(k) match. Contribute to your IRA. Don't gamble on individual stocks. Stay invested. Stay employed. Don't go into credit card debt. Don't get divorced.
User error interrupts compounding more than anything else. Set up the boring foundation. Then stop touching it.
Most retirees never touch the principal. (Nick Maggiulli) They stack money out of fear, then die with more than they started with.
Daniel Kahneman on loss aversion: the pain of losing $100 is twice as strong as the joy of gaining $100. That's why people over-save.
Your burn rate at 70 is way lower than at 45. No kids at home. No tuition. Less energy to do stuff. Plan accordingly.
Bill Perkins' Die with Zero philosophy... A useful insight was in the first chapter: his best friend took a payday loan at 23 to backpack Europe for three months. Same career trajectory as Bill. Just way more fun at 24.
People don't want to think about their mortality. So they focus on making the number go up. If you actually internalized that you're going to die, you'd be more intentional about your time and money.
Jack's champagne moment a year from now: He sells a ton of copies of it. And it's still relevant.
Reflection Questions
More Learning
#539: Jack Raines - Playing Infinite Games, Living Life Backwards & Building Your Platform
#548: Nick Maggiulli - The Power of Compounding
#373: Bill Perkins - How To Get All You Can From Your Money & Your Life
Podcast Chapters
00:00 The Price of Becoming - Pre-Order Now!
01:38 Meet Jack Raines
03:27 Grandma Ruth Took Him to Africa When He Was 11
08:04 Why Every Year of Your 20s Is Worth $10 Million
12:12 Quitting UPS at 24 for a One-Way Ticket to Barcelona
15:10 How to Increase Your Surface Area for Luck
20:00 Where You Live Is Who You Become
22:00 Why Memories Compound Faster Than Money
26:23 The Financial Stability Basics Nobody Wants to Hear
29:00 Get the Boring Stuff on Autopilot
31:15 Why Retirees Never Touch the Principal
34:02 The Bad Trade of Saving During Your Best Years
37:36 The Bill Perkins Die With Zero Debate
39:15 Experimentation, Agency, and the Only Real Risk
42:53 The Best Networking Tool in the World: Do Great Work
44:10 The Champagne Question: Making the Book Matter a Year From Now
45:53 EOPC